Somerled's DNA from triangulation

When you suggest a worldwide conspiracy, this falls apart at the most basic beginning for me:

Take it back several hundred years, Wilton. Or a thousand years. I'm not quite sure when you believe this began, but it did not start in the last couple of decades, from what I'm gathering you're suggesting...

No one alive had any way of knowing what haplogroup others around them had.

Those of us in this conversation all know you can have any combination of skin tones and traits and belong to various haplogroups. People hundreds of years ago? Nope.

Dr. Wilton McDonald II - Attorney & Barrister

I was looking at your tree. Why do you have listed that your Mcdonald line was deported, per Cromwell? My line is Cromwell and he was a cousin to my lines. Where'd the information come from?

I see you stated that is why Pedigree was not tracked anymore.

I was curious if you'd share your MTA results?Annber1983@gmail.com

I'll post what I found above your YDna.

Also, I was reading about Ydna and found this going up the lines Genealogy wise. Genealogical wise it's best guesses.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivar_of_Waterford

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/194992597/person/2...

Annber thanks- will message you. Just finishing a closing.

On Cromwell- black hole for most folk but i have records from Barbados and other paid sites - yes there are actual UK deportation Acts online and blacks were targeted. Some fled - lots killed in the UK. Jacobites were black!

Re: . Very sad- so this woman Mendelsohn feel sorry for her- claims no good Jewish records older than 1780s

Ok, this is confusing, and difficult for me to follow.

I feel something has to be missing in the context here.

For example, descendants of Portuguese Sephardic Jews who were expelled from Portugal and Spain in the fifteenth century can claim Portuguese citizenship. I think this may be phased out soon, but as an example. If there were no "good Jewish records", then this would not be possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUhhwYZ0ru4

Great video on Cromwell and destruction of OUR history as black Hebrews in Europe.

Karrie this Jennifer person is a Jewish expert and has a large following. She went on record and said on her program of over 200 participants - there are no valid Jewish genealogical records going back before 1780. Yes i found this odd since i have been in Poland for 11 years and going back and forth for 20 years since i met my Polish wife. Her lectures are focused on Poland but she obviosuly does not know as much as she thinks. Did not even know about Zelechow where my wife is from.

Dr. Wilton McDonald II - Attorney & Barrister

Ever read, To Hell or Barbados? An interesting read on time period. Not a historical source, without citations,but an interesting take on Cromwell.
I know about Cromwell,very well. He deported his own realitives, AKA my lines,lol. The closest ones my other lines,he liked. 😆

Anyway, as you'll see,since the bronze age,your YDNA isn't in Africa. The last known sample was 4,500 to 3,500 thousands years ago,to be conservative. It's interesting, the subclad up from yours, is in Ireland and their matches, a few other places. The dots in the chart give the time period. I'm confused as to the why,of 13 samples, they didn't list their orgin. I noticed your one Mcdonald was traced to dying in America or Jamaica. There's a sample match to him in America. It's interesting, as my McDaniels /McDonald's and Dallas lines came from Jamaica. I suspect my own Maternal line, Lindsey, came from Jamaica,to Pennsylvania. The Finley and Myers connections you mentioned earlier are matches to my line. The Finley lines and Ford lines have mixed-race children. The McPherson lines are in Maryland and related to the Cactoctin project. There's the missing Population in Bedford County I've been tracking. Even the Historical Society cannot find them :(

So we can say without a doubt after the Bronze age,your YDna was not in Africa. Ghana and Botswana are probably best guess to orgin. The Bronze age area is the most solid evidence until more people test,or more Ancient samples are found.

https://www.geni.com/photo/view/6000000143467836849?album_type=phot...

https://www.geni.com/photo/view?album_type=photos_of_me&id=6000...

https://www.geni.com/photo/view?album_type=photos_of_me&id=6000...

https://www.geni.com/photo/view?photo_id=6000000204952844965

That is very odd for her to have said that about Jewish records. We are in agreement there!

(Meaning that ancestry link might be something that should be PM as I do not think the person I noticed uses Geni. I am off for needed coffee.)

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The Ancestry link I shared? It's Wilton Tree,a few generations up. Was there another link I missed?

Ok great- some agreement- always a good start. Gotta get coffee

Annber-Iwill explain in a message.

"Jacobites were Black"???

Jacobites were a) POST-Cromwell by up to 100 years, b) phenotypically "Celtic", and c) majority R1b (with some I mixed in).

The name "Jacobite" refers to adherents of the deposed Stewart line post-1688, with particular reference to the years 1715 and 1745, The name refers to James II, who bugged out to France rather than fight William and Mary (Mary being his own daughter from his first marriage) for the throne, and also to James "III" (never crowned, never reigned), only surviving son from James II's second marriage.

The deportees of c. 1650 were Royalists, *not* "Jacobites" - they were adherents of Charles II (James II's older brother), who eventually *was* restored to power after Cromwell died, Cromwell's son proved incompetent, and the populace in general was fed up with Puritans and Puritanism.

And, not all the deportees were sent to Jamaica, historical fiction to the contrary. Some of them wound up in Massachusetts, and some of those relocated to Rhode Island - and in neither place did they stand out in any way from the other current inhabitants.

Here's one of the c. 1650 deportees: John MacCoone

The MacCoones became prominent in the Seventh Day Baptist movement, which began in Newport, Rhode Island in 1672. (If there isn't a Project tracing their migrations, there ought to be - very interesting topic!) Note: aside from regarding Saturday, not Sunday, as the Sabbath, they are Baptists, *not* Adventists (a much later and completely unrelated denomination).

Charles II was the next-to-last of the Stewart kings, but as he had no legitimate heirs, he was succeeded by his brother, James II. James was ousted after only three years of rule, on suspicions that he, having become a Catholic convert, wanted to return the country to Catholicism. His daughter Mary, being married to the staunch Protestant William (III) of Orange, was more acceptable...but William and Mary had no legitimate heirs either, and the last reigning Stewart was her little sister Anne (same problem - are you seeing a pattern here?)

The Catholic Stewart line being unacceptable, the succession devolved on a distant cousin, George, Elector of Hanover.

The turbulence of the times can be summed up in the popular folksong, "The Vicar of Bray". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vicar_of_Bray_(song)

Wilton,

From reading your numerous posts this is what YOU believe to be true and expect all others to blindly agree with you as fact (to be clear the use of “I’m” is referring to yourself Wilton):

1. I’m a true Hebrew and Jew; most of those currently professing to be Hebrews and Jews are frauds.

2. I’m a true Native American; most of those currently professing to be Native Americans are frauds.

3. I’m a true Scot; the majority of those professing to be of Scottish descent are frauds.

4. There was no African slave trade on the level professed by historians. Those claiming that such an event took place are committing the ultimate form of historical malpractice.

5. There is a global conspiracy afoot to rob Black people of their rightful place at the forefront of world history. All of the influential Blacks of prominence were simultaneously supplanted by White replacements. It was like the film Invasion of the Body Snatchers came to life, except it involved race-swapping on a global scale, and the expense was trillions of dollars.

6. I‘m just so happen to be the ultimate embodiment all of the aggrieved parties rolled up in one.

I’m sorry, Wilton. I didn’t realize failing to agree with you on global conspiracies and legitimately attempting to improve your knowledge of genealogy were arrestable offenses. If you’re going after FTDNA, I suggest you focus on the fact that genetic evidence that disrupts your preferred self image is not something that you are immune from, and the legal system is not in place to protect your hurt feelings from facts that you can never disprove.

I’m actually looking forward to hearing you present your evidence in open court if it’s anything along the lines of”Ben Franklin’s essay,” “Dr. Jeanson’s book,” “the Russian paintings,” “my grandfather told me,” and a family tree you put together with duct tape and wishful thinking. I’m sure that will hold up well against thousands of genetic test results that all point to the same conclusion.

I’m sure your historical accuracy, believability and humility will all go over very well with the judge and jury.

PS- great points Maven!!!

As to point 1, Dr. Wilton insists he's not Jewish - he "merely" descends from the ancient Hebrews. Basically it's just another Ten Lost Tribes myth, but some branches of the "Black Hebrew Israelites" take things much too far.

Speaking of Cromwell,this is the line to me. I noticed on my 13th Grandfather the same pictures used for his Uncle.Both MP.

I'll have to look at my other Cromwell lines.

https://geni.com/00HMBf

Will throw mine in as well.

I've noticed a lot of the older MPs could benefit from a "refresh" and sourcing. Spring cleaning! :-)

https://geni.com/00HMCF

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We relate through Paul Sears. I agree. I mentioned that the other day. A lot of the ones I'm connecting to are the oldest on the database. Takes people and there's only so many on Geni.

Dr. Wilton McDonald II - Attorney & Barrister

I'm still waiting for the MTA results. I'll share mine as my file matches lean mostly with Ydna E,R1a and J for the top three. As well as my matches for Royal house a d my E samples.

McPherson was mentioned earlier in this discussion.

I believe this line:

Stephen McPherson, Sr

connects with this and Stephen is the son, or more probably, grandson of Donnaidh:

Donnaidh [Daniel] McPherson

Am working to source, but am fairly certain the McPhersons in Pennsylvania (both) head back to Scotland. Why am I mentioning this?

There is Y-DNA, census data and photographs linked to the McPherson profiles I manage leading up to Stephen.

https://geni.com/00HMFv

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Im talking about the McPherson in the Cactoctin project. They were white in Maryland. Link below. I do know of mixed-race McPherson, as there's matches. The how is the question.
I haven't added all to the project. I have too many projects. Severe ADD :/ ,so you'll no why I bounce from family line to family line. Ido finish them, just takes time.

Anyway, the path you shared on Donnaidh,I linked my path. Interesting... I'll look more in to him. I see the YDna on Stephen,I'll look at him too. MTA Royal Y and mtdna ties,based off thier subclads fro an atDNA standpoint. I linked my E matches on the global scale.

https://www.geni.com/projects/Catoctin-Furnace/people/4489180

https://www.geni.com/photo/view?album_type=photos_of_me&id=6000...

https://www.geni.com/photo/view?album_type=photos_of_me&id=6000...

https://www.geni.com/photo/view?album_type=photos_of_me&id=6000...

https://www.geni.com/photo/view?album_type=photos_of_me&id=6000...

https://www.geni.com/photo/view?album_type=photos_of_me&id=6000...

https://www.geni.com/path/Annber-Collins+is+related+to+Donnaidh-Dan...

Hmm, I wonder how if they were cousins or if this is a matter of shared surname? Would be interesting to try and find out. I share the project and profile hopping, obviously.

That is a better way to add MTA vs a thread. One section for mine is not easily read though. They clump a ton of matches into the lower right corner, just a mess. I can take a few minutes and add something similar as images though. I do have several samples, etc already up.

Annber Lynn Collins

This is the one where there is so much clutter in the lower corner, it needs clicking while logged into MTA, but gives some idea....

https://www.geni.com/photo/view/6000000182577985828?album_type=phot...

https://www.geni.com/photo/view/6000000182577985828?album_type=phot...

I prefer the actual sample matches, especially the deep dives, which give some idea of the DNA match itself. The "royalty" stuff always seemed like it was designed to appeal to vanity, but there is likely information that can be used as well.

This one too: https://www.geni.com/photo/view/6000000182577985828?album_type=phot...

Wilton is "Yes for the harassment and racially motivated offences committed over the years you are joined to a Texas State matter.” based on not agreeing with your wild and unsupported assertion?

Sorry to break it to you Wilton, not agreeing with your is certainly not harassment nor is it racially motivated. If anyone is committing these offences from posts which I have read, it would be you Wilton.

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I agree. I like looking at the bigger picture. The sample matches are most helpful. My fav match is in Philadelphia.

Facebook: "Page Not Found", big fat hairy surprise (not).

Google search provides, as the *first* link, "The Black Jacobins", 1938 book by Trinidadian historian C. L. R. James

A JacobIN is not a JacobITE. Haiti is not Scotland.

Forcing an exact-word search just goes back to John Macky and associates for some reason with a portrait of a Black man from the late 15th or early 16th (NOT 18th!) century. There is no such portrait - or *any* portrait - anywhere in the book.

Macky describes John Sharp, Archbishop of York as a "black" man. The archbishop's portrait shows a dark-haired white man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sharp_(bishop)#/media/File:Abp_J... It is evident that Macky was using an 18th century vocabulary which referenced *hair color* as a primary descriptor.

There is no "Cabal". There are just facts that for some reason you are not willing to face.

Before anyone gets started on Charles II, he was half-French (his mother was Henrietta Maria alias Henriette-Marie, sister to Louis XIII) and, except for having a good many inches on him, strongly resembled his French first cousin, Louis XIV (Charles II was tall, Louis XIV was on the short side). This was particularly noticeable once Louis adopted the fashion of wearing black wigs (Louis was originally brown-haired).